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Space Digest                Fri, 19 Feb 93       Volume 16 : Issue 199

Today's Topics:
                "The Universe of MOTION" (book review)
                *advocate* anonymous postings (2 msgs)
                          Biosphere 2 S.A.C.
                          Funny name for HST
                    Henry Spencer stamps (2 msgs)
                           Micro-management
                  Organics on Saturn, Jupiter, Titan
                       Pictures of Mars wanted
                       SETI and Virtual Reality
             space-related position at MS^3, San Diego CA
                     space news from Jan 4 AW&ST
                SSF Petition (freedom fighters, etc.)
                   System abuse, and other hobbies

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Date: 17 Feb 93 16:44:11 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: "The Universe of MOTION" (book review)
Newsgroups: sci.space



          (Book Review):


          "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION", by Dewey B. Larson, 1984, North
          Pacific Publishers, Portland, Oregon, 456 pages, indexed,
          hardcover.


               "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION" contains FINAL SOLUTIONS to
          most ALL astrophysical mysteries.

               This book is Volume III of a revised and enlarged
          edition of "THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE", 1959.
          Volume I is "NOTHING BUT MOTION" (1979), and Volume II is
          "THE BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER" (1988).

               Most books and journal articles on the subject of
          astrophysics are bristling with integrals, partial
          differentials, and other FANCY MATHEMATICS.  In this book, by
          contrast, mathematics is conspicuous by its absence, except
          for some relatively simple formulas imbedded in the text.
          Larson emphasizes CONCEPTS and declares that mathematical
          agreement with a theory does NOT guarantee its conceptual
          validity.

               Dewey B. Larson was a retired engineer with a Bachelor
          of Science Degree in Engineering Science from Oregon State
          University.  He developed the Theory described in his books
          while trying to find a way to MATHEMATICALLY CALCULATE the
          properties of chemical compounds based ONLY on the elements
          they contain.

               "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION" describes the astrophysical
          portions of Larson's CONSISTENT, INTEGRATED, COMPREHENSIVE,
          GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, a kind of
          "grand unified field theory" that orthodox physicists and
          astro-physicists CLAIM to be looking for.  It is built on two
          postulates about the physical and mathematical nature of
          space and time:

               (1) The physical universe is composed ENTIRELY of ONE
          component, MOTION, existing in THREE dimensions, in DISCRETE
          units, and with two RECIPROCAL aspects, SPACE and TIME.

               (2) The physical universe conforms to the relations of
          ORDINARY COMMUTATIVE mathematics, its primary magnitudes are
          ABSOLUTE, and its geometry is EUCLIDEAN.

               From these two postulates, Larson was able to build a
          COMPLETE theoretical universe, from photons and subatomic
          particles to the giant elliptical galaxies, by combining the
          concept of INWARD AND OUTWARD SCALAR MOTIONS with
          translational, vibrational, rotational, and rotational-
          vibrational motions.  At each step in the development, he was
          able to match parts of his theoretical universe with
          corresponding parts in the real physical universe, including
          EVEN THINGS NOT YET DISCOVERED.  For example, in his 1959
          book, he first predicted the existence of EXPLODING GALAXIES,
          several years BEFORE astronomers started finding them.  They
          are a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of his comprehensive Theory.  And
          when quasars were discovered, he had a related explanation
          ready for those also.

               As a result of his theory, which he called "THE
          RECIPROCAL SYSTEM", Larson TOTALLY REJECTED many of the sacred
          doctrines of orthodox physicists and astrophysicists,
          including black holes, neutron stars, degenerate matter,
          quantum wave mechanics (as applied to atomic structure),
          "nuclear" physics, general relativity, relativistic mass
          increases, relativistic Doppler shifts, nuclear fusion in
          stars, and the big bang, all of which he considered to be
          nothing more than MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES.  He was very
          critical of the AD HOC assumptions, uncertainty principles,
          solutions in principle, "no other way" declarations, etc.,
          used to maintain them.

               "THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION" is divided into 31 chapters.
          It begins with a description of how galaxies are built from
          the gravitational attraction between globular star clusters
          which are formed from intergalactic gas and dust clouds that
          accumulate from the decay products of cosmic rays coming in
          from the ANTI-MATTER HALF of the physical universe.  (Galaxy
          formation from the MYTHICAL "big bang" is a big mystery to
          orthodox astronomers.)  He then goes on to describe life
          cycles of stars and how binary and multiple star systems and
          solar systems result from Type I supernova explosions of
          SINGLE stars.

               Several chapters are devoted to quasars which, according
          to Larson, are densely-packed clusters of stars that have
          been ejected from the central bulges of exploding galaxies
          and are actually traveling FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT
          (although most of that speed is AWAY FROM US IN TIME).

               Astronomers and astrophysicists who run up against
          observations that contradict their theories would find
          Larson's explanations quite valuable if considered with an
          OPEN MIND.  For example, they used to believe that GAMMA RAY
          BURSTS originated from pulsars, which exist primarily in the
          plane or central bulge of our galaxy.  But the new gamma ray
          telescope in earth orbit observed that the bursts come from
          ALL DIRECTIONS UNIFORMLY and do NOT correspond with any
          visible objects, (except for a few cases of directional
          coincidence).  Larson's explanation is that the gamma ray
          bursts originate from SUPERNOVA EXPLOSIONS in the ANTI-MATTER
          HALF of the physical universe, which Larson calls the "cosmic
          sector".  Because the anti-matter universe exists in a
          RECIPROCAL RELATION to our material universe, with the speed
          of light as the BOUNDARY between them, and has THREE
          dimensions of time and ONLY ONE dimension of space, the
          bursts can pop into our material universe ANYWHERE seemingly
          at random.

               Larson heavily quotes or paraphrases statements from
          books, journal articles, and leading physicists and
          astronomers.  In this book, 351 of them are superscripted
          with numbers identifying entries in the reference list at the
          end of the book.  For example, a quote from the book
          "Astronomy: The Cosmic Journey", by William K. Hartmann,
          says, "Our hopes of understanding all stars would brighten if
          we could explain exactly how binary and multiple stars
          form.... Unfortunately we cannot."  Larson's book contains
          LOGICAL CONSISTENT EXPLANATIONS of such mysteries that are
          WORTHY OF SERIOUS CONSIDERATION by ALL physicists,
          astronomers, and astrophysicists.


               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Book Review is ENCOURAGED.


                                   Robert E. McElwaine
                                   B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC



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Date: 18 Feb 93 00:07:58 GMT
From: Chris Royle <[e-mail]>
Subject: *advocate* anonymous postings
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.privacy,sci.space,sci.astro,sci.crypt

[e-mail] (Robert Mah) writes:

> My view is that anonymous postings will allow for an excess of
> name-calling and other non-civil behaviour.  Call me a pesemist.

Pesemist.

There.

CHrIs.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 22:55:23 GMT
From: Pete Hardie <nastar!phardie>
Subject: *advocate* anonymous postings
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.privacy,sci.space,sci.astro,sci.crypt

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (8 February 1993) writes:
>Now that we've seen that pseudonymous postings are not an
>unmitigated evil by demonstrating their accountability and
>responsibility, we need to go further and to *promote*
>pseudonymous postings as a positive good.

As others have posted, this is far from a generally accepted view.

>This does not mean arguments would become less passionate,
>but the passion is redirected from a defense of a self-image
>to the defense of a *position.*

Not the case.  Numerous studies point to the INcrease of aggressive
behavior when the target is anonymous.  The less 'personal' the other
side seems, the easier it is to treat it as wrong/bad/evil/stupid/etc.

>Moreover, appeals based mainly on submission to badges
>of authority, such as the posting site or the reputation
>or power of the poster is muted.  This removes another
>constraint to Usenet readers using evidence of their own
>sense coupled with conclusions derived from independent
>thought with facts that can be gleaned from good postings.

It also removes the useful tool of knowing when someone with valid and
good experience speaks good advice.  You would but everyone on the same
footing and remove the signs of wisdom from those who demonstrate it.

>True, a lot of sludge will be channeled by Anonymous.  But
>of far more importance will the occasional Copernican theory
>(still censored in some areas until the early 19th C.) be able
>to surface without intimidation or retribution.
>
>Anonymous postings demand a lot from the readership in
>requiring skill to prune and select from a broader array of
>responses; responses that may be incorrect, in poor taste or
>just plain dumb.  This burden of selection and analysis will
>certainly increase as anonymous postings become the norm.

Leaving aside the supposition about the expected normalcy of anon postings,
I for one have enough trouble winnowing the wheat from the chaff when I
have the use of personal IDs for assistance.  There are many people on the
net who have yet to present evidence of intelligent thought, and I'd just
as soon not be required to page through their drivel just to read the
good stuff.  Until a content-based killfile (or keepfile) method is found,
I want as much info as I can get about the identity of a poster to help
me decide if I want to read more of their postings.


--
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Digital Transmission Systems, Inc., Duluth GA
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 12:30:00 PST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Biosphere 2 S.A.C.


Biosphere 2 update, February 18, 1993.

The Biosphere 2 Scientific Advisory Committee has been
dissolved.

I have received many questions about the dissolution of the
Biosphere 2 Science Advisory Committee (S.A.C.) so I will
comment then post the press release that was made by Edward
P. Bass, Chairman of the Board of S.B.V. and Dr. Thomas E.
Lovejoy, Chairman of the S.A.C.. It is certainly a loss to the
Biosphere 2 project not to have the S.A.C.. The management
of Space Biospheres Ventures (S.B.V.) and the committee
were unable to work together, making interaction between
committee members and Biosphere 2 scientists frustrating. I
have the highest respect for all the members of the committee
and think dissolving the committee was appropriate given the
circumstances. When the dust has settled there are many great
lessons about how to conduct science as a part of a private
business venture that has little or no government involvement.
In future private space missions, a strong collaboration between
the scientific community and business will greatly benefit both
endeavors, but it is much more difficult than one might first
imagine. I will expand on this theme at another time but very
briefly:

To set the tone of the situation, consider the immediate
association when you think of a scientists opinion of big
business and the reverse. As I see it, the relationship in a
private/scientific space project can not be that of a paid
consultant where the business can take the advice or leave it
and ultimately the consultant does not care, it is also not that of
a grant or contract for service from one to the other. The
relationship between business and science in a non-government
space project will involve reputations, carriers, scientific
expertise, academic institutions and government scientific
institutions. To work, this relationship will require a large
amount of mutual trust and openness between people that have
so often found themselves on opposite sides of the fence,
creating a growing distrust especially with regard to
environmental issues. While it is by no means impossible to
overcome, the inevitable conflicts of interest must be dealt with
before they occur. An over simplified example is that a
business may need to protect some information as proprietary
or feel that the companies reputation is as risk, while the
science of the project requires an open dialogue or publication.
This issue is not new, but quickly becomes surprisingly complex
and is fundamentally different from that of a scientist hired by a
company to do a job, it will require allot of exploration before
this type of a joint venture can be undertaken.

Here is the press release.

***

BIOSPHERE 2 SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE
DISSOLVED

    February 15, 1993 - The Scientific Advisory
Committee (S.A.C.) of Biosphere 2 has been dissolved;
although some members of the committee will continue in their
advisory role to the project.

    Members recommended the committee disband at this
time because personality conflicts between some S.A.C.
members and some members of the Space Biospheres
Ventures (S.B.V.) team resulted in the inability of the
committee to proceed in its current capacity.  It's expected that
a new science review process will be formed under the aegis
of Biosphere 2's Director of Research, a new position which
the committee recommended be created last July.  The position
is expected to be filled within the next six weeks following a
lengthy professional search process.

    "Although the committee feels the scientific research
of Biosphere 2 has made good progress, I and several
members of the committee found the working relationship at
times to be frustrating", said Dr. Thomas E. Lovejoy, Chairman
of the S.A.C..  "I'd like to reiterate that the whole committee
retains its enthusiasm for what Biosphere 2 can contribute to
the field of closed system ecology."

    Edward P. Bass, Chairman of the Board of S.B.V.,
said several members of the committee have either submitted
their letters of resignation or expressed their intention to do so
in order to clear the slate for the new Director of Research..

    "The crux of the matter is that the process proved to
be unwieldy.  The are inherent difficulties with an unpaid,
volunteer committee, conducting scientific review of the sort
that is customary in an academic or publicly-funded context,
consulting to a multi-faceted private corporation whose
research and development has commercial aspects,"  said Ed
Bass.

    "I am very grateful for the hard work and tremendous
assistance the S.A.C. has given over the last year.  Important
progress has been made, both in terms of the conduct of
research at Biosphere 2 and the public's perception and
understanding.  For example, following the committee's
recommendation in its' July report for import and export of
scientific supplies and samples, new protocols have been put in
place which greatly enhance the research underway.  There
have already been several papers published in scientific
journals, and there are now more than 60 research projects
including the first tightly monitored experiment with human
nutrition on a nutrient-dense/calorie-restricted diet, and
expanded research into oxygen dynamics within Biosphere 2."

        "I thank each member for their valuable contribution,
and I look forward to continue working with them on this and
other projects of mutual interest."

***

That's the latest.

Taber MacCallum
Biosphere 2 crew





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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 01:44:15 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Funny name for HST
Newsgroups: sci.space

Tom ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I just thought y'all might enjoy a little quip I got from my prof the
: other day:

: The class is 'Galaxies', and he was referring to the possibilities that
: will exist with better resolution in IR.

: He said "If they ever fix the Hobbled Space Telescope..." :-)

At night, after I've taken out my contact lenses, if I see my wife in a
state of undress, I'll wolf-whistle, leer appreciatively, and say
"Hubble, Hubble."  Or, if I have only one lens in, it's "Hubba,
Hubble."

I'll have to drop that gag after the repair mission.  I hope.

Oh, BTW, here's the latest official data on the HST repair mission:

CONFIGURATION
 -ORB (FLT NO)   OV-105(5)       That's the fifth flight of Endeavour.
 -ET             ET-61           That's the External Tank's serial number.
 -SRBs           BI-063          The Solid Rocket Booster pair.
 -SSME SETTING   104/104%        "104% of originally-rated thrust"
   -POSITION 1   TBD             We haven't decided which engines we'll use.
   -POSITION 2   TBD
   -POSITION 3   TBD
 -SOFTWARE REL   OI-22           The new software we'll use first on STS-57.
 -CRYOTANK SETS  5               Lots of O2, H2, N2.
 -MISC RQMTS     RMS             The "Canadarm" or Remote Manipulator System.

P/L MANIFEST
 -PAYLOAD BAY    HST SM-1, ICBC  ICBC = IMAX Cargo Bay Camera, which first
                                 flew on STS-46 (the TSS mission).
 -MID-DECK       IMAX            The big, NOISY camera which eats film like
                                 crazy.
OPERATIONS
-PAD/MLP         A/3             Launch pad 39A, Mobile Launch Platform 3
-INCLINATION     28.45 DEG
-INSERTION ALT   318 NM
-MECO TGT        DIR INSERTION   As opposed to the old-fashioned OMS-1/OMS-2.
-TAL SITE        BANJUL          Transatlantic abort site.
-FLT DURATION    9 + 2 DAYS      Nine days nominal, plus two for contingencies.
-CREW SIZE       7

INSTRUMENTATION                  None this flight.

REMARKS                          None this flight.

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      [e-mail]  [phone]

     "The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in
     the cradle forever." -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 00:51:41 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Henry Spencer stamps
Newsgroups: sci.space

Tom ([e-mail]) wrote:
: To be honest, I have no idea what Henry actually looks like, so if he was
: on those stamps, I wouldn't know anyway :-)

One of the interesting things of meeting net.people in person is how
different they look from my pre-conceived notions.  I picture Henry as
a college professor in his forties, with slightly graying hair and
smallish wire-rim glasses (used only for reading, of course).  I have
other mental pictures of the folk in sci.space.*, but I won't meet
most of them.  (I wonder what people think *I* look like.)

I can't really justify the use of the government's computers for it,
and I wouldn't want to uuencode them and post them to everybody, but
does anybody have an anon-FTP repository where we can put some GIF's or
JPEG images?  I have a dandy one left from the time I tested a color
scanner by scanning my NASA ID.  The GIF is about 59 KB; its JPEG
equivalent is about 15 KB.

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      [e-mail]  [phone]

     "We choose to go to the moon not because it is easy,
      but because it is fun."
    -- John F. Kennedy, as [mis]quoted by
             Scott Brigham, [e-mail],
             in alt.folklore.urban

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 02:00:44 GMT
From: "Allen W. Sherzer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Henry Spencer stamps
Newsgroups: sci.space

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Thomas Green) writes:

>>To be honest, I have no idea what Henry actually looks like, so if he was
>>on those stamps, I wouldn't know anyway :-)

>He probably looks like Elvis.

You mean that wasn't Elvis I saw yesterday?

  Allen

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 18:09:19 EST
From: Tom <[e-mail]>
Subject: Micro-management

>You may call building something which works for a reasonable sum
>micromanagement; I call it Congress's job.

Actually, Congess' job is writing laws that protect our rights.  Spending
money taken from us against our will is called 'violating citizens
rights', or 'robbery', as long as there are those who don't support
that taking and spending.

If you take it as given that Congress must work this way, fair enough,
just call it what it really is.

-Tommy Mac
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 02:02:18 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Organics on Saturn, Jupiter, Titan
Newsgroups: sci.space

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tom) writes:

> Doesn't Jupiter also have organics floating around in it's atmosphere,
> mostly methane,

Yes, Jupiter has CH4 in its atmosphere.

> which cause all the reddish/brown coloring?

Well, the CH4 is clear.  The dazzling white in the bands is, I recall,
mostly frozen ammonia (NH3).  As for the red/brown color of the belts
it's likely caused by some complex organics, I don't think that anybody
has conclusively identified the species.

After checking just now with a real planetary atmospheres person who
confirms what I said above, the identity of the reddish-brown stuff
remains unknown.  It's definitely not methane nor a simple methane
based variant.

-Bill Gawne,  Space Telescope Science Institute

 "Forgive him, he is a barbarian, who thinks the customs of his tribe
  are the laws of the universe."                       - G. J. Caesar

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 22:23:26 GMT
From: Ed McCreary <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pictures of Mars wanted
Newsgroups: sci.space

>>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 1993 17:40:57 GMT, [e-mail] (Robert Chenina [Chemie]) said:

RC>     Hello Earth!
RC>     I'm looking for some pictures from the Viking mission. The pictures
RC>     are details obout the region called _Cydonia Mensae_ (approx. 40.9N,
RC>     9.45W) and referenced as:
RC>          35A72, 70A13, 673B56, 753A33.

673B56 is available as part of a mosaic, image MI45N012.IMG, on the
Mars Mosaicked Digital Image Model CDROMs.  The last time I checked,
these were available on explorer.arc.nasa.gov.

I was not able to find anything on 753A33.

--
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
[e-mail]                           _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 02:13:11 GMT
From: nathan wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: SETI and Virtual Reality
Newsgroups: sci.space

The event in question actually happened, but not "officially". According
to a NOVA program on SETI, the gentleman who invented the famous equation
to determine the probability of other intelligent life in the universe
met once a month in a working group of similar-interest scientists. (I
believe Carl Sagan was a member, but i can't for the life of me remember
the name of the man who did the equation. I'm sure some other netter
can...) At one of these meetings he handed out a simple message encoded
arbitrarily to the other participants, and gave them something like six
months to solve it. No one did.

He used this to make the point that communication with ET's is *not*
as simple as a "universal translator" might make it seem.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 01:33:02 GMT
From: Mike Caplinger <[e-mail]>
Subject: space-related position at MS^3, San Diego CA
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,misc.jobs.offered

Malin Space Science Systems (MS^3) is seeking candidates for operations
engineering positions for the Mars Observer Camera (MOC) project.  MS^3 is
responsible for design, implementation, and operation of the MOC Ground
Data System, a custom, computer-aided mission planning, operations, and
data archiving system to command and record the acquisition of several tens
of thousands of photographs of the planet Mars at resolutions as high as
1.5 meters/pixel.

Expected duties for these positions include preparing sequences for uplink
to the spacecraft, retrieving and processing downlinked images, monitoring
the health of the instrument, data archiving, and providing support to the
MOC science team.

Candidates should have two to five years of post-baccalaureate experience
in a scientific or technical position, programming ability, and experience
with UNIX and UNIX-based workstations.

Applicants should send a resume, including three references, and a salary
history by April 15, 1993,  to:  Ms Laura Ravine, Operations Supervisor,
Malin Space Science Systems, 3535 General Atomics Court, Suite 250, San
Diego, CA  92121.   E-MAIL APPLICATIONS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.  For
information, call [phone] or send e-mail to [e-mail] (Internet.)
Do not send e-mail to the poster of this message.

Malin Space Science Systems, a small, California-based corporation
specializing in spacecraft imaging systems, is an equal-opportunity
employer.

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Date: 17 Feb 1993 11:13 CST
From: University Space Society <[e-mail]>
Subject: space news from Jan 4 AW&ST
Newsgroups: sci.space

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Henry Spencer) writes...
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Phil G. Fraering) writes:
>>>... However, Lockheed does its own satellite testing
>>>horizontally, and has experience with what it calls "ship and shoot"...
>>
>>How did Lockheed get this experience?
>
>This was not made clear.  Military programs are the obvious possibility.

Lockheed has been the prime contractor of all of the HOE (Homing Overlay
Experiments) as well as ERIS the HOE successor. Both of these missions us
the Minuteman I booster in various configurations as the launch vehicle.
The also have been involved in similiar missions with other surplus military
hardware.

Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville

PS Hey Henry, MacDougal in Heavens and the Earth states that the F1 was a
Marshall project. This squares with what I know from Dannenberg and others
around here who worked on the engine. Where did your information come from?

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Date: 17 Feb 1993 11:07 CST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: SSF Petition (freedom fighters, etc.)
Newsgroups: sci.space,talk.politics.space

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob McGwier) writes...
>
>And people I know are actually belivers in Clinton's ability to sell his
>package.  SSF is but one of the things that Clinton may or may not want
>to cut back on and already the grassroots organizations, and aerospace
>industry lobbyist are lining up.  I have no hopes that in a years time the
>deficit will be one dollar smaller if things like SSF, which to my mind
>should NOT be in the budget when you have a $350 billion deficit looming,
>cannot be cut.
>
>Bob
>--

If Mr. Clinton would forgo the his usless jobs program that will not bring
one dollar of return for the American economy (31 billion dollars) then we
could save a great deal of the deficit. At 8% interest that adds another

2.8 billion dollars to the deficit each year just to finance, which by the
way is more than Nasa wants to finish SSF. You figure it out why this logic
works in Washington. If you really want to cut the dificit then begin to trim
the social programs that were to have brought us the great society but have
instead have given us paradises like Cabri Green and others like it around
the country.

A little realism and a little thought go much farther than empty words and
public works programs. I have really had a lot of fun re-reading the book
"The Heavens and the Earth" by Walter MacDougal. Eisenhower and Medaris were
right and Mr. Clinton, who I think may have some promise to do some good has
been saddled with the failed governmental philosophy's of Rostow and others
of the 60's that are directly responsible for the deficit of today.

Followups to Alt.politics.space

Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 17:48:34 EST
From: Tom <[e-mail]>
Subject: System abuse, and other hobbies

>...such as once first year undergrad at my uni who sent
>``F*** off and die'' messages to random IDs rather upsetting occasional
>users already fearful of the computer systems---one mistake was to
>forward one to me and I unkindly forwarded it without comment to the
>head of department).  He was, thank goodness, eventually expelled for
>this and other clever and witty uses of our computing systems.

This sounds really familiar.  I was working as an operator a while back,
where this company had a Data General system, with hundreds of terminals,
and two printers, and about 40 different forms, depending on what was
printed, so our job was to route the printing, change paper and such.

We'd get rushes at lunch and about 4:00, so we were often bored.  My
boss said "Why don't you learn the system, then?"  One of my
discoveries was the built-in mail system, which I quickly started
using to send clever (I thought) stuff, like beeps, text inversions,
and, my favorite, clear-screens.  They didn't hurt anything the person
was working on, just made it look that way.  And I restricted the
joke to people that I worked with, operators and programmers, not
general users.

I was punished for this in two ways:  Our sysop wrote a program that
simulated a disk-crash, just for me, and my boss suggested I had learned
the system enough, and should switch to COBOL :-)

I know this isn't at all appropriate for this group, but I also don't
think 5000+ lines about anon. posters are, either.  So, if you have
a problem, I'll just send it anonymously next time :-)

>..The even more pernicious thing about unpleasant mail and news is that
>the *recipients* pay for it.  I particularly don't want to pay postage
>on a large parcel arriving and discover that horse's head with attached
>rude note.

This kind of abuse does have solutions, for both hard-mail and E-mail.
kill-files, complaints to whoever runs the show, legal prosecution,
as well as the kind of thing Damon did above.  One response to the
volume-abuse referred to in another post is to re-forward every message
you get from the offender right back at them, with additional text
attached, and delete what you got, all automatically.  Whose mailer is
bigger, right?

Besides, stopping anon. messages won't solve these problems.  There are
those that will abuse things anyway, or the really determined types
that have figured out how to attribute their messages to others.

-Tommy Mac
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